racism and the Australian National anthem
racism and the Australian National anthem
Simón Bolívar
Chorus Member Joined: 6/3/18
#1racism and the Australian National anthem
Posted: 9/17/18 at 2:55am
this story isn't about racism. Its about not following the rules of an association. There a rules I do not like when I go to work. But I follow them ! Why because they are the rules i signed. When the parents sent her to school they knew what would happen. They knew the business they were sending her to. And then they went to the media why? Why did they go the media? why did the parents send her to THAT school ?
ps I am all for the indigenous People of Australia having rights and if it was and Indigenous Person that explained they had a problem. I would maybe agree. But I just find it odd
pps i do not find it odd to find something racist
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-12/national-anthem-protest-school-brisbane/10235792
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#2racism and the Australian National anthem
Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:21pm
She should be able to make her views known. I see no problem with what she did.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#3racism and the Australian National anthem
Posted: 9/20/18 at 10:43am
I'm a little confused. The OP said her parents signed her up for school. Is this not a state-sponsored school? I'm trying to use the correct terms as in the U.S. public school means state-sponsored school that is free and private school means ones in which parents pay for and are not funded by the State or is only partially funded by the State through indirect ways. I know it may be different in Australia.
In the United States, students are allowed to sit out of the National Anthem or express themselves politically so long as it's not disruptive or inciting violence if the students attend a public school. With compulsory education, students don't really have a choice of attending school or not, it's not as if they had options for signing up for different sets of rules.
In this case, since it's in Australia, I need someone to establish the facts a bit more and I need to understand how the Australian courts have ruled in these matters.
#4racism and the Australian National anthem
Posted: 9/20/18 at 2:44pm
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "In this case, since it's in Australia, I need someone to establish the facts a bit more and I need to understand how the Australian courts have ruled in these matters."
In my view, questions about fundamental rights are answerable without this information. Every human has a right to refrain from singing or standing for a particular song; that's inherent in the right to free expression. If the courts have ruled the other way, the courts are wrong. If there's a law forcing people to sing, that law is wrong.
ScottyDoesn'tKnow2
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/22/14
#5racism and the Australian National anthem
Posted: 9/20/18 at 3:06pm
kdogg36 said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "In this case, since it's in Australia, I need someone to establish the facts a bit more and I need to understand how the Australian courts have ruled in these matters."
In my view, questions about fundamental rights are answerable without this information. Every human has a right to refrain from singing or standing fora particular song; that's inherent in the right to free expression. If the courts have ruled the other way, the courts are wrong. If there's alaw forcing people to sing, that law is wrong."
That's nice, but every country defines fundamental rights in different ways. We discussed how the U.S. probably has the most extreme/liberal reading of freedom of speech/expression among other Western democracies. Also, we're not talking about a "law" here as that would require state action but rather whether a school can force its students to recite or stand for the pledge. Therefore, I need to know how Australian courts have ruled in cases like this, what its Constitution has to say about freedom of expression, what the Australian attitudes are regarding the rights of minors to be politically expressive and how far it extends, whether this was a state-sponsored school, what the case law stated about this, etc. I would like to know this information because I'd like to respond to the OP's position in his post comparing her attending this school as him signing off on rules as an employee of his company with their rules on conduct. I also need to know how Australia defines freedom of expression and if it's similar to the United States. Also, in private schools, including religious ones, in the U.S., they can force students to say the pledge of the allegiance and adhere to other types of behavior that a public school cannot.
#6racism and the Australian National anthem
Posted: 9/21/18 at 10:16am
Clearly, we have different conceptions of what makes a human right. I don't think they're created or destroyed by governments; rather, they're a property of human beings that governments can choose to protect or to violate.
Your points about government vs. non-government schools is valid. I'd be very critical of the punishment in question either way, but in the latter case it wouldn't be a violation of her rights.
